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Sandys Tribe

Tim:

There is no apostrophe in Sandys Tribe, Bermuda.

- Robert - Talk to me 12:29, 1 January 2008 (CST)

James Whitney from Wales

Hi Tim Thanks for your info and speedy reply. I'm new at this so I hope my page looks OK. I have a few questions from your census information: How did you connect James with David? Was it via John? There is a David Whitney for 1841 and another for 1871, they don't have the same children listed and Louisa age does not match up ... I'm a little confused here. Is there a way I can find out what happened to Ernest brothers? (Harold, Arthur and John). Again thank you for your reply the info has been a great gain in connecting our Whitney tree. --Whitner 18:21, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Mary Whitney Children

Tim:

Check out the name disambiguation page Mary Whitney. There is only one child Mary Whitney without her own page! This has got to be wrong. I'm looking for a Mary Whitney born 1785, of which there should be some candidates.

- Robert - Talk to me 07:32, 8 January 2008 (CST)

Search Question

Tim:

How would one search for a widow Mary (-----) Whitney, born 1785, who remarried in 1845? I can't think of any useful way to proceed.

- Robert - Talk to me 10:01, 9 January 2008 (CST)

Strays

Tim:

What do you think of making a page listing stray Whitney individuals whom we cannot connect to any others? That would make unnecessary a lot of pages without much information on them. Each entry could link to the source of the data. This would serve a similar function to our currently existing Most Wanted Whitneys pages. There are quite a few among the medieval Whitney families, but even more in the Massachusetts town vital records, and also in the 1800 and 1810 censuses. Thoughts?

- Robert - Talk to me 15:15, 10 January 2008 (CST)

Re: Joseph Whitney and George Washington Whitney

Tim,

I maintain a tree on Ancestry (named FIELD) which includes the Whitney line, etc. My grandfather, Charles Whitney, back in the '80s before he passed away, took some time to chart out both his paternal (Whitney) and maternal (Barton) lines. He did a good job, but with the luxury of the Internet, I believe I've been able to fill in his research a bit.

His chart shows Joseph Whitney (son of Caleb Whitney and Annes Church) the father of George Washington Whitney with a christianing date of 1813 in Utica, NY. He shows Joseph having been born 7/6/1760 in Sterling, MA and passing away, 9/24/1840 in Hubbardston, MA, of cancer. He shows Joseph having been married to an Esther Crittendon of CT, whose father is listed as the Revolutionary soldier, Gideon Crittendon, with mother having been Esther Cone.

In my research (and I'm open to making changes if necessary) I have found, on this site I believe, Joseph b. 7/9/1760 in Harvard, MA. His death date, according to Hubbardston VR, is 9/24/1840, of cancer. I've located an 1830 census of Hubbardston, Worcester, MA, listing a Joseph Whitney, age between 60 and 70. He resides near the Greenwood family. In the 1840 census of Hubbardston I find a J. W. Whitney, over 70 then, living with a male listed as between 30 and 40 (maybe George W.). Again, he resides next to the Greenwood family.

By 1850, there's no Joseph or J. W. Whitney in Hubbardston, but there appears his son, George W. I have a Land Ownership Map in my Ancestry online collection which shows George Whitney in Hubbardston, MA. Interestingly enough, he's living next to a Mrs. Greenwood.

Recently I had the Worcester County library find George W. Whitney's death record. The record indicates a date of death of 2/28/1882 in Phillipston, MA, which corresponds to his last known place of residence according to the 1880 census. His age is given as 78. His parents, in the record, are listed as a Joseph and an Esther (apparently no maiden name is given).

I'm continuing my research on this. I'm not certain that Crittendon (alternatives including Crittenden and Cruttenden) was Esther's maiden name. I'm trying to track down George W's siblings, if any, and wonder whether or not an Artemesia (or Artemecia) living in the Templeton/Hubbardston area, with an Esther at one point, also b. in NY is George W's sister.

George W. married a Maria Tenney around 1860. The Tenney maternal line, according to Ancestry and so far not in conflict with my findings, actually is a closer relation to Eli Whitney, of cotton gin fame, than from my Whitney paternal line.

Hope this helps with the good research that's being done on the WRG.

Martin Field

Plantagenet Ancestry Edits

Tim:

While I don't have the original to compare, I believe all the changes I made were of a typographical nature, and so just correcting Adrian's transcription. I am least confident about changing TRUSSEL to TRUSSELL in two places (but that seems innocuous) and changing Gocg to Goch. The latter is a valid Welsh word, but the former is nonsense, and g and h are contiguous on the keyboard. You can google them both to see my point. If this still bothers you, I suggest you get Adrian to check the original.

- Robert - Talk to me 09:08, 12 January 2008 (CST)

Well I got the photo of Margaret Calder Morrison #167 (photos) to "upload log" Now what? Tracy

Missing Children

Tim:

Your script to collect the names of children seems to have a problem with the children on Family:Whitney, Abijah (c1760-1829). Neither Joseph nor Elisha shows up on his respective Name Disambiguation Page. Also on Family:Whitney, Caleb (1740-1777), Oliver doesn't appear, either.

- Robert - Talk to me 14:49, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Four Mystery Whitney Girls of Charlestown

Tim:

I have a theory about four otherwise unidentified Whitney girls whose marriage intentions are recorded in Charlestown, MA:

• Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar. 3, 1832.
• Mr. Thomas Hart [meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin] of Shirley & Miss Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25, 1833.
• Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12, 1835.
• Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr. 1, 1836.

Compare that with the following from the IGI, Batch No. 7450276, Film No. 0027730, Danville, Caledonia Co., VT:

• Whitney, Eunice, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 1 Apr 1809.
• Whitney, Mary Ann, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 4 Oct 1812.
• Whitney, Emily, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 28 Mar 1816.
• Whitney, Sophia, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 23 May 1818.

Then I found the 1850 census record of Evans Anderson and wife Mary A., in Concord, NH, and it says that she was aged 37, born in Vermont!

Now one problem is that these four girls born in Vermont had to somehow get from Danville, VT, to Charlestown, MA. The IGI (not the reliable part) says that Solomon⁷ Whitney, son of Silas⁶ and Jane (Pearson) Whitney, was born in Rutland, Rutland Co., VT, and married Margery -----. I notice that Solomon allegedly died in Stoneham, MA, adjacent to Charlestown, after 1860.

The 1850 Census of Charlestown includes Solomon Whitney, aged 72, born in Vermont, living in the family of Joseph Pennell and wife Emiline (aged 35, born in Vermont)!

Do you concur with this analysis? What do you think of creating a page for Solomon⁷ Whitney with these identifications?

- Robert - Talk to me 12:20, 5 February 2008 (CST)

Four Mystery Whitney Girls of Charlestown

Tim:

I have a theory about four otherwise unidentified Whitney girls whose marriage intentions are recorded in Charlestown, MA:

• Mr. Evans Anderson & Miss Mary Ann Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Mar. 3, 1832.
• Mr. Thomas Hart [meaning Mr.Thomas Hartwell added above and in margin] of Shirley & Miss Eunice Whitney of Charlestown, entered May 25, 1833.
• Mr. William Hurd & Miss Sopeia Whitney, both of Charlestown, entered Dec. 12, 1835.
• Mr. Joseph W. Pennel of Malden & Miss Emily Whitney of Charlestown, entered Apr. 1, 1836.

Compare that with the following from the IGI, Batch No. 7450276, Film No. 0027730, Danville, Caledonia Co., VT:

• Whitney, Eunice, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 1 Apr 1809.
• Whitney, Mary Ann, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 4 Oct 1812.
• Whitney, Emily, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 28 Mar 1816.
• Whitney, Sophia, dau. Solomon and Margery, b. 23 May 1818.

Then I found the 1850 census record of Evans Anderson and wife Mary A., in Concord, NH, and it says that she was aged 37, born in Vermont!

Now one problem is that these four girls born in Vermont had to somehow get from Danville, VT, to Charlestown, MA. The IGI (not the reliable part) says that Solomon⁷ Whitney, son of Silas⁶ and Jane (Pearson) Whitney, was born in Rutland, Rutland Co., VT, and married Margery -----. I notice that Solomon allegedly died in Stoneham, MA, adjacent to Charlestown, after 1860.

The 1850 Census of Charlestown includes Solomon Whitney, aged 72, born in Vermont, living in the family of Joseph Pennell and wife Emeline (aged 35, born in Vermont)!

Do you concur with this analysis? What do you think of creating a page for Solomon⁷ Whitney with these identifications?

- Robert - Talk to me 12:22, 5 February 2008 (CST)

Genealogy Questions

Hi,

My name is Esther and I am new to this group and process. I read your page and have read many old archives about you and Robert Ward. I have figured out that it seems that the two of you are who headed up this entire project and I want to say that that is wonderful, and thank you. Thank you so much, it has helped a lot.

I have copied and pasted a letter I just wrote to Robert L. Ward and would love if you or he or any one else would be willing to help me and my family with the following. Thanks, in advance!

Letter to Robert Ward:

My name is Esther Smith. I am related to the Whitney line through Betsey WHITNEY. I have done my genealogy with my fathers help. We have gotten quite far in many lines and finding your Whitney research website has been wonderful!

I found it back when you were still developing it, but at that point was just going to college and falling in love and getting married and all those things, so I didn't take much time out then for genealogy, aside from a genealogy class I took at BYU-Hawaii in 2000.

I am 27 years old and come from a family of 9 children. My father loves genealogy. He used to do all his genealogy by hand on yellow ledger pages and stuff before we ever had a computer (as a family). He got me involved in helping him on genealogy back when I was 5 years old. All of my sibblings help do the genealogy too.

Are genealogy is getting huge and we need to find a way to combine all the various GEDCOM files together. Everytime any of us tries to our computer fries and we loose everything. And I have a pretty extensive computer that I do Web and Graphic design through.

I know that this is getting long and you are wondering where I am going with it. It is just that I have read over old archives and such on here back from 1999 and forward and many of them have said that you and Tim Doyle are the ones who made all of this possible and the ones who "Know your stuff". So, I am contacting you for two reasons.

1. 1. I am at a dead end on Betsey Whitney's first husband Aaron Davis, who I believe I am related through, and Susannah GERRY.

1. 2. I am wondering if my father and I might be able to put our heads together with you and/or Tim Doyle and make another one of these web projects for other Surnames aside from just the Whitney side.

Just to give you a genealogical idea of who I am down from Betsey Whitney, here you go:

Israel WHITNEY + Susannah GERRY

Betsey WHITNEY + Aaron DAVIS

Narcisi HAZEN (aka. Nelson DAVIS) + Appoline (Pauline) CHAMPEAU

Apoline (Pauline) HAZEN + Louis LAMIRANDE

Agnes Marie LAMIRANDE + Fredrick Rapheal PARMENTIER

Phyllis May PARMENTIER + Kenneth William VERHAGEN

Paul Kenneth VERHAGEN + Merrily HILL

Esther Michelle VERHAGEN (Smith) ***Me***

I have an e-mail that I can send as an attachment or copy and paste, if you are interested on all the current information we have regarding Aaron Davis and what we are still seeking on him.

I would truly appreciate if you could help us in either or both areas! If you are unable to do so however, please direct me to whom I should contact and how.

Please e-mail me at [email protected]

Thank you so much in advance! Esther Smith

Census project

Tim - It appears the census project is humming right along. I have to make one final trip to the library to double check ancestry records for Mass. (I used heritage quest to gather data). I would like to continue working on this project if there is more work to be done. I have looked through several states in subsequent years, they appear to all be assigned. Is there an easier way to tell what states still need researched? Thanks much. Carol

Hi Tim - Weather permitting I am going to finish up my library work on Mass. tomorrow. I will then start a "Whiting" "Whitny" and "Whiting" check (I found several instances in Mass. where Whiting was really Whitney). Thanks much.

Carol

Main Page Layout

Tim:

Can you make the box on the right-hand side of the Main Page shorter? I'd rather have the information in the center column shorter, which could happen if it wraps around a shorter box, getting wider below its bottom edge.

- Robert - Talk to me 19:40, 20 February 2008 (CST)

Which County?

Tim:

In assigning counties in Category: links, I have run onto a quandary. Consider Roxbury, MA. When counties were established, it was part of Suffolk County. When Norfolk County was established by being split off from Suffolk County, in 1793, it became part of Norfolk County. Then in 1867, it was annexed by the City of Boston, and again became part of Suffolk County. So which county name should I use in the Category: links? So far, I've used Suffolk, but now I'm leaning towards Norfolk. Or should it be time-dependent, so before 1793 or after 1867, we use Suffolk, and between those dates, Norfolk? Or should we use both?

- Robert - Talk to me 13:56, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Re: Joseph Whitney Hubbardston, MA

Looks like we've been able to fill in some info on Joseph Whitney's family. I'm glad you were able to get the date of death for his wife, Esther (Crittenden) -- she wasn't in the MA Secretary of State's archives.

I'm curious as to the source for the marriage date for Joseph's son, George Washington Whitney. Although his wife shows up as Elmira, on my grandfather's genealogy chart and all the censuses she is known as Maria A ("A" for Arvilla). MA VR shows Maria marrying a Hopkins in 1899, in Petersham. She is later found residing with her daughter Mary Ellen in NH.

George W. Whitney may have married first an Abigail Sawyer on 9/18/1839, Templeton VR.

Joseph's son with the alternate names of Balak, Baruch, Barah is mentioned in the Town History of Hubbardston. He is said to have married (probably 2nd) an Elmira Elizabeth Greenwood b. 1842, on 2/10/1871. It goes on to say that he died on 7/26/1877 (the MA VR for Hubbardston backs this up). It uses the name Baruch as does a later census (1870?). Also, a book on the Greenwood genealogy mentions Baruch and says that he was b. in Utica, NY, of Josiah and Martha (Crittenden) Whitney. The name of Martha may be an error or perhaps was her middle name (?).

If you'd like to discuss, please feel free to do so.

Martin

Whitney from Wales

Tim I have confirmed that James Whitney from Usk married Louisa Williams. I obtained Ernest James birth certificate from the GRO and lists Louisa Williams as his mother. I have updated my page with this info. I am slowly working at this. I also obtained Ernest and Olwen's marriage cert. and list as witness John Whitney and Amy Lawrence (Amy married?).

Truman Whitney

Hi Tim, Wow! You are amazing. I will follow the leads you gave me, but I wanted to provide you with the exact info that I have.

I found C.E Whitney (Charles Emmett) in the Biographical Sketches for Cherokee County Iowa. The following is the information directly copied from their site:

C. E. WHITNEY, one of the well-known and popular farmers of Silver Township, has been a resident of Cherokee County since 1876. He was born in Chautauqua County, New York, October 4, 1847, and is a son of Truman and Jane (Ransom) Whitney. They were the parents of five children, only two living: Mary J., wife of Wallace Wilcox, of Chautauqua County, New York, and C. E. Whitney, the subject of this notice. The father was a shoemaker in early life, but in later years took a heavily timbered farm which his son assisted him in clearing. He died in December, 1887, and his wife died when C. E. was five years old. When Mr. Whitney was twenty years old he broke the ties of childhood and youth and went out into the world to make a career for himself. He came to Delaware County, Iowa, and having been trained to agricultural pursuits, he worked at farming by the month in Delaware, Fayette and Buchanan counties. He was married October 25, 1868, in Buchanan County, to Miss Sa rah M. Warner, who was born in Tuscarawas County, Ohio, a daughter of George and Mary (Goodman) Warner. Farming through the wet year of 1869, in 1870 he obtained a position with Granger & Bradshaw, prominent stockmen of Marion County, Iowa, in whose employ he remained for five years, running a threshing-machine every fall. In 1876 he removed to O'Brien County, Iowa, and engaged in farming. the grasshoppers totally destroyed his crops that season, and in the fall he came to Cherokee County, and located on his present farm the following April, 1877. He has a barn, granary, cribs, and many conveniences for feeding stock, one of the best wells in the county, a fine grove of timber, and an orchard, with a great variety of small fruits. One hundred and forty acres of the land is in cultivation, and the balance is in pasture and meadow. Mr. and Mrs. Whitney are the parents of nine children: Rosa Bell, Martha Dell, alice Nell, Mary Estell, Genie Ethell, Addie Louell, Nina Vell, Edna Au rell and Orrin Emmett. In politics Mr. Whitney is idependent. He and his wife and four daughters are consistent members of the Methodist Episcopal Church. They are in the prime of life, cordial and hospitable, and among the leading families of the township.

With this information, I searched cemeteries in Sherman, and found Truman, Jane and three young children all buried together at the Waits Corners Cemetery. (This of course was done online, since I am in Florida and not New York!)

I have a great aunt who is still living, and knew both Charles and Sarah. Sarah lived to be 103, and was the oldest resident of Salem Oregon when she died. She remembers hearing of an Uncle Orange, and an Uncle Eli, both on the Whitney side.

I also have pictures of Charles and Sarah.

What information would be useful for me to add to this site?

In addition, I have a song that Charles wrote titled "The Banks of the Merry Little Sioux" (apparantly they were a very musical family, and Charles played the violin). I found this song listed with his biography on the Cherokee Iowa genealogy site.

Again, Thank You for your help, I will proceed with the possibilities you have provided, and see if I can make any direct links!

Rebecca

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